I think maybe there's a song or two from Jefferson Starship on the Mannequin soundtrack that it could be argued should be here. "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us" and "We Built this City."
Side B songs so far definitely has a different feel than Side A, though maybe this half of the decade is where we were really leaning into the melodrama? The number of ballads in this region does make me wish that "It Might Be You" by Stephen Bishop from Tootsie had been on Side A. Not that it stood a chance against the juggernauts in this region last time.
The role Family Ties played in bringing together America's sweethearts Michael J. Fox and Tracy Pollan may very well influence my voting on "At This Moment." I always thought the Keaton family was the TV family most like my own, but I don't know why, other than the sibling makeup was the same and Michael Gross had a beard. This is neither here nor there, but I listen a lot in my car with a lot of time to get in the Way Back Machine of my brain. :)
Prediction: Keith's Michael McDonald impression is on your Top 10 list at the end of the season.
Multiple things to address here, but yes, there are more ballads here than in any region up until now. I looked ahead to Bands and see only maybe 3 "slow songs.". Maybe 2 in Singers could fall under that designation. And while a few in Foreigners could be classified as "love songs," they aren't "Glory of Love" schlock.
I am guessing that songs like "It Might Be You" and David Foster's "For Just a Moment" (St. Elmo's Fire) would have both been accepted by some listeners on an experiential basis and then summarily destroyed by "Crush on You"! But they may be 80s TO YOU! :D
I can see your family a little in the Keatons. Both parents professionals, both parents caring and present. You can't sell me on your brother as Alex P. Keaton (other than in stature!). But I can also see that familial closeness (even a reluctant but unmistakable closeness between Mallory and Alex) in your family that is generally only seen in TV families. So, I'll allow it. ❤️
Regarding my Michael McDonald "impression," if I do that again, I may end up being hospitalized!
When you get to the episode with Pretty in Pink please also play bits of the original version to compare and contrast to the version they re-recorded for the movie. The original came out way back in 1981 and the difference between the two versions is very clear. (Unlike Send Me An Angel, which sounds basically the same)
This situation sounds similar to the whole "Take on Me" do-over. Do you like the old or new version better? (I am saving my listen to the old one for live on the show) 😝 --Keith
Interesting question. I guess I don't know for sure, maybe depends on my mood. The original is much grungier and more punk sounding. I'd say that people that had been longtime Furs fans didn't like the newer version, thinking it a little too pop sounding. I don't know for sure what the band thought of the new version but when they put out their first compilation a couple of years after the movie they put the original album version on there and not the movie soundtrack version.
I wouldn't say that People Are Strange was Echo getting a paycheck, Ian McCulloch is a genuine Doors fan and considers them an influence on Echo & The Bunnymen. It is still in regular rotation on their setlists (as is Roadhouse Blues).
Pretty in Pink is criminally low-seeded, just so you could force matchup of songs from the same movie. Not a fan of this idea.
Coincidentally I was going to be seeing both of those bands about 8 days apart in a couple of weeks but OMD had to postpone until next summer due to a health issue in the band. But Psychedelic Furs are going to be awesome (with Jesus and Mary Chain opening).
I honestly had no idea Send Me an Angel was ever in a movie. But is was definitely a big favorite in the teen clubs. (But no Northern Soul connection so don't worry, I'm not going to go off on that again. Yet.) But this should have been an A-side song, since it came out in 1983.
I'm getting "Send Me an Angel" in on a couple of technicalities, despite its release date, because it should have been on side A and got knocked out:
1. Being in huge part of a 1986 movie
2. Being re-released in 1989
The Furs weren't on my radar until the end of the decade, really. But I really like what I know of them. Would happily accept a list of your favorites of theirs.
Oh man, the Furs are so awesome. Off the top of my head I'd say She Is Mine, No Easy Street, Love My Way, Heaven, and Ghost In You are some of my favorite tracks. Really, just get the album Mirror Moves, that is in my opinion their best record. (Robert Smith calls it one of his favorite albums)
Robyn Hitchcock does a cover of Ghost in You that he still will do on a fairly regular basis at his shows.
This is an interesting movies region! There are some great songs (Pretty in Pink) some 80's juggernauts (Take my breath away) some fun and playful choices (Who's Jhonny?), some songs that I've never heard before (Send me an angel) and a song that I fucking hate 😂: "Lady in red" by argentinian born Chris De Burgh. I can´t believe you chose that crappy excuse of a song over Sweet freedom, Keith! Anyways, just picturing Keith and Joe singing Somewhere out there made my day. Just to be bitchy, I don´t get why we have to vote two songs from the same movie, but I respect any decision taken by the creators of this amazing podcast. Can´t wait to start voting!
It's OK to question our judgment! We are not gods! 😂 OK, we are podcasting gods, but still fallible!
The reason for the doubles for some movies is that we did that for the soundtracks that were landmark soundtracks of the 80s, that sold millions and millions of copies in the US, and had 4,5, or even 6 big hits on them.
I am excited to blame YOU for the abysmal "Lady in Red"!! 🇦🇷 One great thing about this season is if you hate a song, you will find out in every episode where each of us ranked every song, so you will know who to blame! So stay tuned!
I am interested to know if the American show "Family Ties" made it to Argentina? Is "At This Moment" a song you don't know?
Thanks for listening, and your opinion is just as valid as mine or Joe's, so don't hold back! 😘
Can't wait for the "lady in red" moment! 😂 And I get the sountracks criteria, I guess I'm already stressed for having to choose between "If you leave" and "Pretty in pink"! I'm vaguely familiar with "Family ties", I guess because Michael J Fox was in it and "Back to the future" was huge worldwide, so I guess at some point that show aired on Argentine TV. I'm already extemely commited to this season! 💪🏻😃
So.many.sappy.songs 🙄 Maybe have the 80s sappies bracket and pit that against the hair metal bracket!! A few non-sappies should rise to the top, looking at music from Lost Boys and Pretty In Pink, plus Send Me an Angel. Did you purposely skip over Kokomo?? Looking forward to the bracket 😀
I agree on this "sappy" point. Pulling quotes, I was like, "oh yay, another romantic scene." I can probably guarantee that it will not carry over into other regions.
Does "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" or "Kokomo" deserve a shot over a couple of these? Definitely can see an argument for that. I won't hear arguments for "We Built This City." 😂
"Kokomo" was far enough down my list that we never discussed it, so I don't think it was on Joe's list at all.
I know "Mannequin" was overlooked by me completely. But my method was choosing a list of songs, not looking specifically for movie songs, so those songs probably would not have made my overall list.
Joe gravitates more naturally toward movie songs, and that's why we end up with a Movies Region. I think his list just had a lot more soundtrack stuff on it than mine. I think you will find that a majority of this region is Joe, and it's made up for by me being responsible for a lot of the Foreigners Region.
I think if we set out to make just a list of soundtrack songs, it would have come out differently.
I forgot which magazine, I think it was something like GQ, called We Built This City the worst song of the 80s. Grace Slick, talk about ruining your legacy in one fell swoop.
I definitely dislike that song, but it does have an 80s sound. Not enough to beat out the songs on my list, but I can see it beating a couple of the songs in this bracket, if it had been in a movie.
It sounds pretty 80s, but I can confirm that I have never heard it before. Now I think there's a scene in Stranger Things that will make more sense to me if I go back and watch it! And had I not done Side A of this podcast, I would have never known Limahl from Kajagoogoo. --K
*Also from Rain Man, true, and I mentioned this at some point to Joe. But it appears in Satisfaction slightly earlier in the year 1988. The Rain Man soundtrack somehow sold more copies than the Satisfaction soundtrack did, so the Belle Stars' version of this very old song definitely sold more from Rain Man! 🤔
Your brother preferred to have it sponsored by the more 80s film, Satisfaction, and I tend to agree.
Similarly, "Send Me an Angel" is from 3 soundtracks, but Rad was first and 80s-est!
I'm disappointed to not see anything from Some Kind of Wonderful on here. I would have thought Lick The Tins' cover of Can't Help Falling In Love and/or Flesh For Lulu's I Go Crazy should make the cut. Two great one non-hit wonders who almost no one would no the name of if not for that movie. (Side note - I've never met another person who owns even one Flesh For Lulu album, I own a few. And I still listen to them. A sadly overlooked band.)
I have seen Some Kind of Wonderful a few times, and it always struck me as a gender-flipped Pretty in Pink in a lot of ways. With Watts as Duckie, Keith as Andie, and Amanda as Blaine... but I liked Some Kind of Wonderful more for some reason. That said, I never really considered the soundtrack, never saw the movie soundtrack being sold, and have never heard of those two bands. So now I want to go listen to them and the rest of the soundtrack! But that's why they aren't here--I don't know them enough to have nominated them. Did those songs chart?(That's not to put them down, just wondering if I really SHOULD know them, like "If You Leave" and "Pretty in Pink"?)
Oh no, they were not on the mainstream charts. Both would have gotten a decent amount of play on college radio in 1987-88. Lick The Tins lasted all of one album before breaking up, that had some mild chart success in the UK with that track and a couple of other songs.
Flesh For Lulu fared a little better, having a decent touring career playing club shows and they did have the luck of getting a couple songs on the "modern rock" chart when it was a new thing. But their final album came out in 1989. Lead singer Nick Marsh had other bands and a solo career and had reformed a version of Flesh For Lulu in the 2010s sometime. But then he sadly died about 9 years ago at a way too young age of 53.
They were pretty well liked by their rock contemporaries, Paul Westerberg of The Replacements covered one of their songs on a record.
But no, you should not know them. Some of us are just college radio nerds.
SKOW was just a rehash of PIP, John Hughes said he wanted to do it again so he could have the ending he wanted originally in PIP before test audiences fucked it up. I think it is a far superior film. And the soundtrack introduced me to lots of cools bands that I sought out after, including The Jesus and Mary Chain, Pete Shelley (and I would then go on to learn about his legendary punk band The Buzzcocks), Stephen "Tin Tin" Duffy, as well as some other acts who were not heard much before or since. But great soundtrack from top to bottom.
I had just linked the two songs I mentioned, but then I said fuck and here are all the tracks from the soundtrack:
More impressions and singing please, Keith! 🙏😂😂😂
Be careful what you wish for!! 😂 It just may come true! 🤡 --K
I think maybe there's a song or two from Jefferson Starship on the Mannequin soundtrack that it could be argued should be here. "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us" and "We Built this City."
We Built This City wasn't in Mannequin.
A surprise miss....
Dirty Dancing was set in the 60's, you guys.
🤷🏼♂️ The music sounded 50s to me? What the hell do I know? --Keith
Early 60's. Right before JFK assassination.
Side B songs so far definitely has a different feel than Side A, though maybe this half of the decade is where we were really leaning into the melodrama? The number of ballads in this region does make me wish that "It Might Be You" by Stephen Bishop from Tootsie had been on Side A. Not that it stood a chance against the juggernauts in this region last time.
The role Family Ties played in bringing together America's sweethearts Michael J. Fox and Tracy Pollan may very well influence my voting on "At This Moment." I always thought the Keaton family was the TV family most like my own, but I don't know why, other than the sibling makeup was the same and Michael Gross had a beard. This is neither here nor there, but I listen a lot in my car with a lot of time to get in the Way Back Machine of my brain. :)
Prediction: Keith's Michael McDonald impression is on your Top 10 list at the end of the season.
Multiple things to address here, but yes, there are more ballads here than in any region up until now. I looked ahead to Bands and see only maybe 3 "slow songs.". Maybe 2 in Singers could fall under that designation. And while a few in Foreigners could be classified as "love songs," they aren't "Glory of Love" schlock.
I am guessing that songs like "It Might Be You" and David Foster's "For Just a Moment" (St. Elmo's Fire) would have both been accepted by some listeners on an experiential basis and then summarily destroyed by "Crush on You"! But they may be 80s TO YOU! :D
I can see your family a little in the Keatons. Both parents professionals, both parents caring and present. You can't sell me on your brother as Alex P. Keaton (other than in stature!). But I can also see that familial closeness (even a reluctant but unmistakable closeness between Mallory and Alex) in your family that is generally only seen in TV families. So, I'll allow it. ❤️
Regarding my Michael McDonald "impression," if I do that again, I may end up being hospitalized!
--Keith
Maybe my brother is Andy Keaton, the youngest kid who I actually forgot about?? 😂 And my sister was much closer to Jennifer's personality I guess.
🤣
This leaves you as Mallory. Are you comfortable with that? --K
I'm on the Mallory - Jennifer spectrum. 😂 Maybe we should ask George how he feels about being Nick??
When you get to the episode with Pretty in Pink please also play bits of the original version to compare and contrast to the version they re-recorded for the movie. The original came out way back in 1981 and the difference between the two versions is very clear. (Unlike Send Me An Angel, which sounds basically the same)
This situation sounds similar to the whole "Take on Me" do-over. Do you like the old or new version better? (I am saving my listen to the old one for live on the show) 😝 --Keith
Interesting question. I guess I don't know for sure, maybe depends on my mood. The original is much grungier and more punk sounding. I'd say that people that had been longtime Furs fans didn't like the newer version, thinking it a little too pop sounding. I don't know for sure what the band thought of the new version but when they put out their first compilation a couple of years after the movie they put the original album version on there and not the movie soundtrack version.
I wouldn't say that People Are Strange was Echo getting a paycheck, Ian McCulloch is a genuine Doors fan and considers them an influence on Echo & The Bunnymen. It is still in regular rotation on their setlists (as is Roadhouse Blues).
Fair enough. I figured you'd have a take on that song.
Pretty in Pink is criminally low-seeded, just so you could force matchup of songs from the same movie. Not a fan of this idea.
Coincidentally I was going to be seeing both of those bands about 8 days apart in a couple of weeks but OMD had to postpone until next summer due to a health issue in the band. But Psychedelic Furs are going to be awesome (with Jesus and Mary Chain opening).
I honestly had no idea Send Me an Angel was ever in a movie. But is was definitely a big favorite in the teen clubs. (But no Northern Soul connection so don't worry, I'm not going to go off on that again. Yet.) But this should have been an A-side song, since it came out in 1983.
I'm getting "Send Me an Angel" in on a couple of technicalities, despite its release date, because it should have been on side A and got knocked out:
1. Being in huge part of a 1986 movie
2. Being re-released in 1989
The Furs weren't on my radar until the end of the decade, really. But I really like what I know of them. Would happily accept a list of your favorites of theirs.
Thanks!
--Keith
Oh man, the Furs are so awesome. Off the top of my head I'd say She Is Mine, No Easy Street, Love My Way, Heaven, and Ghost In You are some of my favorite tracks. Really, just get the album Mirror Moves, that is in my opinion their best record. (Robert Smith calls it one of his favorite albums)
Robyn Hitchcock does a cover of Ghost in You that he still will do on a fairly regular basis at his shows.
Thanks! Going to visit my parents and will listen on the way! --K
This was a great listen, thanks for the recommendation!
This is an interesting movies region! There are some great songs (Pretty in Pink) some 80's juggernauts (Take my breath away) some fun and playful choices (Who's Jhonny?), some songs that I've never heard before (Send me an angel) and a song that I fucking hate 😂: "Lady in red" by argentinian born Chris De Burgh. I can´t believe you chose that crappy excuse of a song over Sweet freedom, Keith! Anyways, just picturing Keith and Joe singing Somewhere out there made my day. Just to be bitchy, I don´t get why we have to vote two songs from the same movie, but I respect any decision taken by the creators of this amazing podcast. Can´t wait to start voting!
It's OK to question our judgment! We are not gods! 😂 OK, we are podcasting gods, but still fallible!
The reason for the doubles for some movies is that we did that for the soundtracks that were landmark soundtracks of the 80s, that sold millions and millions of copies in the US, and had 4,5, or even 6 big hits on them.
I am excited to blame YOU for the abysmal "Lady in Red"!! 🇦🇷 One great thing about this season is if you hate a song, you will find out in every episode where each of us ranked every song, so you will know who to blame! So stay tuned!
I am interested to know if the American show "Family Ties" made it to Argentina? Is "At This Moment" a song you don't know?
Thanks for listening, and your opinion is just as valid as mine or Joe's, so don't hold back! 😘
--Keith
Can't wait for the "lady in red" moment! 😂 And I get the sountracks criteria, I guess I'm already stressed for having to choose between "If you leave" and "Pretty in pink"! I'm vaguely familiar with "Family ties", I guess because Michael J Fox was in it and "Back to the future" was huge worldwide, so I guess at some point that show aired on Argentine TV. I'm already extemely commited to this season! 💪🏻😃
So it's not that you object there are two from a movie, it's that you are stressed they have to face each other? THAT I understand! --Keith
That's it! It's like having to choose between Lio Messi and "el Diego" Maradona!
Nice job....but...
So.many.sappy.songs 🙄 Maybe have the 80s sappies bracket and pit that against the hair metal bracket!! A few non-sappies should rise to the top, looking at music from Lost Boys and Pretty In Pink, plus Send Me an Angel. Did you purposely skip over Kokomo?? Looking forward to the bracket 😀
I agree on this "sappy" point. Pulling quotes, I was like, "oh yay, another romantic scene." I can probably guarantee that it will not carry over into other regions.
Does "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" or "Kokomo" deserve a shot over a couple of these? Definitely can see an argument for that. I won't hear arguments for "We Built This City." 😂
"Kokomo" was far enough down my list that we never discussed it, so I don't think it was on Joe's list at all.
I know "Mannequin" was overlooked by me completely. But my method was choosing a list of songs, not looking specifically for movie songs, so those songs probably would not have made my overall list.
Joe gravitates more naturally toward movie songs, and that's why we end up with a Movies Region. I think his list just had a lot more soundtrack stuff on it than mine. I think you will find that a majority of this region is Joe, and it's made up for by me being responsible for a lot of the Foreigners Region.
I think if we set out to make just a list of soundtrack songs, it would have come out differently.
--Keith
I forgot which magazine, I think it was something like GQ, called We Built This City the worst song of the 80s. Grace Slick, talk about ruining your legacy in one fell swoop.
The math on this checks out! 😂
I definitely dislike that song, but it does have an 80s sound. Not enough to beat out the songs on my list, but I can see it beating a couple of the songs in this bracket, if it had been in a movie.
Fair points, but how did you miss Limahl's song? It's got synth, radio play, big movie.... curious 🤔
Literally had heard of the movie, had NO IDEA there was a popular song from it!
Charted top 10 in US, higher in Europe.
I will go give it a listen, 40 years too late! --K
It sounds pretty 80s, but I can confirm that I have never heard it before. Now I think there's a scene in Stranger Things that will make more sense to me if I go back and watch it! And had I not done Side A of this podcast, I would have never known Limahl from Kajagoogoo. --K
I also have not seen E.T. ... is there a big song in that movie!? (Not a joke, I truly do not know!)
Wow! Yes, those of us following John Williams, his arrangement is iconic! No pop songs.
To be absolutely clear: I fucking HATE Kokomo.
Jump in, here, Joe! Do you know this NeverEnding Story thing? --K
Oh, and you left out Limahl? 😁
Limahl had a movie song?
Never Ending Story!!!!
Oh! Have never seen the movie nor heard the song! So, if that's a big deal, it's probably a big miss due to my blind spots!
--Keith
I, also, have a Never-Ending Story-shaped hole in my movie-viewing CV.
Iko Iko was from Rain Man.
*Also from Rain Man, true, and I mentioned this at some point to Joe. But it appears in Satisfaction slightly earlier in the year 1988. The Rain Man soundtrack somehow sold more copies than the Satisfaction soundtrack did, so the Belle Stars' version of this very old song definitely sold more from Rain Man! 🤔
Your brother preferred to have it sponsored by the more 80s film, Satisfaction, and I tend to agree.
Similarly, "Send Me an Angel" is from 3 soundtracks, but Rad was first and 80s-est!
Thanks for listening!
--Keith
Wow. This is going to be tough.
Well, I hate to be so 'on the nose,' but when the going gets tough, the tough get going!🤣
Thanks for playing on Side B!
🐐🌊
--Keith
I'm disappointed to not see anything from Some Kind of Wonderful on here. I would have thought Lick The Tins' cover of Can't Help Falling In Love and/or Flesh For Lulu's I Go Crazy should make the cut. Two great one non-hit wonders who almost no one would no the name of if not for that movie. (Side note - I've never met another person who owns even one Flesh For Lulu album, I own a few. And I still listen to them. A sadly overlooked band.)
I have seen Some Kind of Wonderful a few times, and it always struck me as a gender-flipped Pretty in Pink in a lot of ways. With Watts as Duckie, Keith as Andie, and Amanda as Blaine... but I liked Some Kind of Wonderful more for some reason. That said, I never really considered the soundtrack, never saw the movie soundtrack being sold, and have never heard of those two bands. So now I want to go listen to them and the rest of the soundtrack! But that's why they aren't here--I don't know them enough to have nominated them. Did those songs chart?(That's not to put them down, just wondering if I really SHOULD know them, like "If You Leave" and "Pretty in Pink"?)
--Keith
Oh no, they were not on the mainstream charts. Both would have gotten a decent amount of play on college radio in 1987-88. Lick The Tins lasted all of one album before breaking up, that had some mild chart success in the UK with that track and a couple of other songs.
Flesh For Lulu fared a little better, having a decent touring career playing club shows and they did have the luck of getting a couple songs on the "modern rock" chart when it was a new thing. But their final album came out in 1989. Lead singer Nick Marsh had other bands and a solo career and had reformed a version of Flesh For Lulu in the 2010s sometime. But then he sadly died about 9 years ago at a way too young age of 53.
They were pretty well liked by their rock contemporaries, Paul Westerberg of The Replacements covered one of their songs on a record.
But no, you should not know them. Some of us are just college radio nerds.
SKOW was just a rehash of PIP, John Hughes said he wanted to do it again so he could have the ending he wanted originally in PIP before test audiences fucked it up. I think it is a far superior film. And the soundtrack introduced me to lots of cools bands that I sought out after, including The Jesus and Mary Chain, Pete Shelley (and I would then go on to learn about his legendary punk band The Buzzcocks), Stephen "Tin Tin" Duffy, as well as some other acts who were not heard much before or since. But great soundtrack from top to bottom.
I had just linked the two songs I mentioned, but then I said fuck and here are all the tracks from the soundtrack:
Pete Shelley - Do Anything - https://youtu.be/8DwiaALd4lQ?si=5uzxHiQBqL29ZgCp
Furniture - Brilliant Mind - https://youtu.be/1JeEXP717T0?si=E6jrQjhlCuDvQqLQ
Blue Room - Cry Like This - https://youtu.be/Fa_WgChaJx4?si=C4RcNC9cW4eme2Ns
Flesh For Lulu - I Go Crazy - https://youtu.be/Dm35ZUMzDWk?si=NH7jR_MPCWXEg42B
Stephen Duffy - She Loves Me - https://youtu.be/x7Cc_9WQalk?si=iZM19tk1oRxuP7tw
The Jesus and Mary Chain - The Hardest Walk - https://youtu.be/9HGTlecVMTI?si=E_ItrbUcIU8UNhzq
The Apartments - The Shyest Time - https://youtu.be/Md1d80GDqaQ?si=PXbVcHIKmPsadKkQ
The March Violets - Miss Amanda Jones (Stones cover) - https://youtu.be/d1IJmUAiFCE?si=QDHeYgr7JE8QX7Ls
Lick The Tins - Can't Help Falling In Love (Elvis cover) - https://youtu.be/7kORTAjFAWM?si=HLcOSgkMaadHmU2Y
The March Violets - Turn To The Sky - https://youtu.be/IYesLjmxuuY?si=fUDAMUtA-d9hpoi1
We really need to bring you on as our research assistant/lecturer! 😝 Next project: listen to this soundtrack. --K